yvelaferi geografiaze ki ara,adamianis mentalitetzea damokidebuli

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yvelaferi geografiaze ki ara,adamianis
mentalitetzea damokidebuli
qeTevan qurdovaniZe
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Res ucxoeTSi bevri
warmatebuli qarTveli
moRvaweobs.
paata
kalandaZe italiaSi
cxovrobs. igi warmatebuli
kardioqirurgia.
sxvadasxva
dros muSaobda moskovis kardioqirurgiis centrSi, did
britaneTSi, avstraliaSi, safrangeTSi, specializebulia
rogorc mozardTa, ise bavSvTa kardioqirurgiaSi. Tavi
emigrantad arasdros ugrZnia.
saqarTveloSi xSirad Camodis
da uaxloes TveebSi samSobloSi operaciebis gakeTebasac
gegmavs. gTavazobT eqskluziur intervius italiaSi moRvawe
qarTvel eqimTan.
batono buba, ase mogmarTavT,
radgan, mgoni, yvela ase gicnobT, rogor daiwyo Tqveni
emigrantuli cxovreba? ramdenadac vici, manamde ruseTSi, inglissa da avstraliaSi
moRvaweobdiT.
emigranti, albaT, arasodes
vyofilvar ori mizezis gamo.
pirveli, imitom rom, sadac
vcxovrobdi
da
vcxovrob,
yvelgan kargad vgrZnob Tavs da
advilad veCvevi iqaur garemos.
meore _ is, rom Tavs yovelTvis im qarTvelad miviCnevdi,
romelic profesiuli Tu piradi motivis gamo, iq cxovrobs,
sadac saWirod miaCnia.
Tqven CamoTvaleT qveynebi:
ruseTi, inglisi, avstralia,
italia _ sadac vmuSaobdi da
vcxovrobdi; albaT, zogierTs
ucnaurad moeCveneba, magram am
qveynebidan emigrantad ruseTSi ufro vgrZnobdi Tavs. ase
rom, es yvelaferi geografiaze
ki ara, adamianis mentalitetzea
damokidebuli.
Tqven Tbilisis saxelmwifo
samedicino
universiteti
daamTavreT, ratom airCieT
medicina?
bavSvobaSi bebiasTan saxlSi
eqimobanas vTamaSobdi, mqonda
TeTri xalaTi da babuas nayidi
saTamaSo samedicino xelsawyoebi. axla rom warmovidgen
patara bavSvs TeTr xalaTSi
da nemsiT xelSi, sicils ver
vikaveb. sxvaTa Soris, babuaCemi, eqimobis garda, prezidentobasac maCvevda, damayenebda saTamaSo manqanaze da
ase vibarebdi aRlums. magram,
samwuxarod, am ori profesiidan eqimoba varCie, miuxedavad
imisa, rom Cvens ojaxSi samedicino tradiciebi ar aris. profesiis arCevis dro rom dadga,
bevri ar mifiqria da samedicinoze Cavabare. es, ra Tqma unda,
ar niSnavs, rom sxva interesebi
ar mqonda.
rogorc vici, pediatriaSic
muSaobT. albaT, bavSvTa kardioqirurgia sruliad gansxvavebuli profilia.
universitetSi pediatriul
fakultetze vswavlobdi da,
marTali
giTxraT,
eqimoba
­mxolod bavSvebisTvis mindoda. universitetis damTavrebis
Semdeg, albaT, rogorc axalgazrdebis umravlesobas surs,
gadavwyvite, yvelaze axali
da Zneli saqmisTvis momekida
xeli. im dros mxolod moskovSi
iyo axalSobilTa kardioqirurgia, romlis xelmZRvaneli,
lado aleqsi-mesxiSvili, CemTvis magaliTi iyo da mec masTan
wavedi. es iyo 90-iani wlebi. Semdeg bevri ram gakeTda da kidev
bevris gakeTebaa SesaZlebeli,
ra Tqma unda, ufro naklebis _
qirurgiuli TvalsazrisiT da
ufro metis _ axali teqnologiebisa da hibriduli dargebis
SeqmniT.
romel klinikaSi moRvaweobT
amJamad?
TiTqmis bolo aTi welia,
vmuSaob Policlinico di Monza-Si,
romelic milanTanaa axlos.
aris Tu ara italiaSi kardioqirurgia wamyvani dargi
da ra miRwevebia am TvalsazrisiT?
kardioqirurgia wamyvani dargia yvela ganviTarebul qveyanaSi da, ra Tqma unda, italiaSic.
Tu ramdenime aTwleulis win
samedicino momsaxurebis TvalsazrisiT gansxvaveba iyo evropis qveynebs Soris, axla aseTi
gansxvaveba dasavleT evropaSi
aRar arsebobs da kardioqirurgiis done Zalian maRalia.
rogorc ukve mogaxseneT, qirurgiis TvalsazrisiT ukve yvelaferi gakeTebulia da, ZiriTadad, maRali teqnologiebis,
genuri inJineriisa da iseTi
axali profesiebis ganviTareba
mimdinareobs, rogoricaa kardiologisa da kardioqirurgis
Serwyma.
xSirad CamodixarT saqarTveloSi? aq saqmiani kontaqtebi Tu gaqvT?
saqarTveloSi weliwadSi 3-4jer Camovdivar. pirvel yovlisa, saxlSi, Cemebisa da megobrebis sanaxavad da, ra Tqma unda,
profesiuli kavSirebic maqvs.
vTanamSromlobdi sxvadasxva
kardioqirurgiis
centrTan,
axla respublikur saavadmyofosTan vTanamSromlob.
ra winsvlaa saqarTveloSi am
dargis ganviTarebis mxriv?
vin arian, Tqveni azriT, wamyvani specialistebi?
kardioqirurgiam
saerTod
didi ganviTareba ganicada da,
ra Tqma unda, saqarTveloSic
aris progresi. Cveni mTavari
amocana unda iyos is, rom axal
Taobas SevuqmnaT SesaZlebloba, raTa maT saukeTeso ganaTleba miiRon qveynis SigniT Tu mis
gareT. cxadia, es SesaZlebloba
axalgazrdebma srulad unda
gamoiyenon, raTa ara marto medicina, aramed mecnierebis yvela dargi ganviTardes. swored
am gziT gavxdebiT civilizebuli samyaros wevrebi.
xom ar gegmavT uaxloes xanebSi saqarTveloSi Camosvlasa
da operaciebis ­gakeTebas?
diax, uaxloes TveebSi vapireb
Camosvlas da operaciebis gakeTebas da, rogorc yovelTvis,
italiur gundTan erTad.
Tqveni ojaxis Sesaxebac gviambeT.
Cemi ojaxis wevrebi arian: nana
da jemali _ deda da mama; goga _
Zma meuRlesa da rva SvilTan _
nanuka, sandro, mariami, andro,
niko, nato, luka da dimitri _
erTad.
dedaCemma da mamaCemma, aseve,
bebiam, romelic, samwuxarod,
aRar aris, bevri gaakeTes, raTa
CemTvis yvelanairi saSualeba
moecaT, rom is mekeTebina, rac
msurda.
axla, Cemi mxriv, minda davexmaro Cems ZmisSvilebs, rom
hqondeT SesaZlebloba, TavianTi gza airCion da samSoblos
emsaxuron. nanukam ukve gaatara 2 weli italiaSi da axla kanadaSi swavlobs. sandro axla
CemTanaa da seqtembridan isic
kanadaSi wava. Semdeg, albaT,
danarCenebic Camovlen da a.S.
apirebT Tu ara saqarTveloSi dabrunebas?
momavlis gegmebs arasodes
vawyob da dRevandeli dRiT
vcxovrob. ra Tqma unda, adre
Tu gvian davbrundebi.
eba, guram wibaxaSvilmac aRniSna: `fotografia Zalian bevrs
itevs. mindias gamofena amis
naTeli magaliTia. eqspozicia
Zalze sainteresoa, jer erTi,
imitom, rom dauswreblad SeiZleba qveyana naxo. meore _ imitom, rom Zalian akademiurad
aris gakeTebuli, Cans, rom icis,
ra aris klasikuri fotografia, ra aris kompozicia, Crdili; icnobs mimdinareobebs ara
marto fotografiaSi, aramed,
sazogadod, xelovnebaSi. zogi
suraTi eqspresiulia, zogi _
dokumenturi. zogierTi _ abstraqtuli. kargad icnobs
wina xeds, ukana xeds. icis, es
rogor gamoiyenos. Semdeg kargad amuSavebs kompiuterSi, rac
aranakleb mniSvnelovania. bevrgan meordeba vefxvebis wyalSi
TamaSis Tema, SeiZleba iTqvas,
rom es aris ara calkeuli fotoebi, aramed Tema, romelic
filmiviT viTardeba~.
kadrebad awyobili erTi siuJetis
STabeWdileba
kidev
ufro gaaZliera videokolaJma `traileri~, romlis mxilvelic Znelad daijerebdi, rom
es avtoris videokamerasTan
pirveli Sexeba iyo.
`fotokameraze damagrebulia
patara videokamera. es axali
sityva araa. ubralod, kargad
gamoviyene, zustad SevurCie,
ra rogor unda gamekeTebina.
me sxva sicocxles vaCveneb fotoebiT. `trailerSi~ cocxlad
xedav, ra garemoSi iqmneboda es.
mgoni, `gaamarTla~.
im yvelafers, rac erovnuli
biblioTekis darbazSi xde-
boda, yvelaze naklebad sityva
`mgoni~ uxdeba. damTvaliereblebi uwyvet nakadad modiodnen. biblioTekis daketvac
erTi saaTiT dagvianda. xalxm-
daRebuli, miwaze Crdili ecema,
ggonia, Crdili dgas da vefxvi ki
Crdilia. yovel suraTSi raRac
mizanscenaa, raRac aRmoCena da
amiT Zalian sainteresoa. mas
gaaCnia araCveulebrivi grZnoba, monaxos saTuTi adgilebi,
daainteresos adamiani~.
`iseTi efeqti aqvs, TiTqos
cocxalia. yvelaferi _ kompozicia, ferSi gadmocemuli
suli aris idealuri. gansakuTrebiT, vefxvebis monasteri.
berebisa da vefxvebis xasiaTi.
didi samyaro, romelic tailandSi calke samyaros qmnis.
yvelaferi zustadaa gakeTebuli: feri, kuTxe da rodesac am
teqnikas sulic mohyveba, ukve
fotoxelovnebis nimuSia”, _
STabeWdileba gamiziara Tamar
gonjilaSvilma,
romelic
­mxatvrul da reportaJul fotografiaSi muSaobs.
goga Canadirma xazgasmiT
aRniSna: `vefxvebis taZarSi Sesvla arc ise advilia da etyoba,
amitomac gaakeTa avtorma amaze
aqcenti. sirTules xom Tavisi
momxibvleloba aqvs~.
mxolod sirTulis daZlevis survils ar Cauyvania mindia midelaSvili tailandSi:
`Zalian didi xnis ocneba iyo da
realobad iqca. rodesac ocnebas ase Seexebi, Zalian mZafri
gancdaa. vefxvebis monasteri
da grZelkiserebis tomi _ es
aris ori ZiriTadi wertili, ramac ganapiroba es mogzauroba.
imden rames swavlob, ginda ar
ginda, Tavis kanonebs gaswavlis, Tavis wesebs, rogor unda
moiqce masTan, ra ar unda gaa-
keTo da ra unda gaakeTo. ra
siTbo unda gasce, rom Sesabamisad miiRo kidec is. man unda
dagijeros, unda giyvardes, ar
SeiZleba gauswro, mis win zurgiT dadge _ is generalia da ar
gapatiebs~.
swored vefxvis da adamianis
ndobiT da siyvaruliT savse
fotos win SevamCnie kote gabriCiZe: `mindias aqvs am saintereso niuansebis Cavlebis
Tvali da unari. iqaurobis
suli aqvs daWerili. ramdenime
suraTi marTlac Sedevria. ori
vefxvi erTmaneTis pirispir
profilSi, da gverdiT iseTive
poziciaSi _ vefxvi da adamiani.
rogori ndobaa, es udidesi siyvarulis niSania~.
gamofenis gaxsna moswavles
iuri meCiTovma londonidan miuloca, TbilisSi dabrunebulma ki STabeWdilebebi gamiziara:
`man kidev erTi brwyinvale
gamofenis gakeTeba moaxerxa.
samyaro didia da arc Cven varT
iseTi patarebi, rom ar davinaxoT samyaros sidide da siWrele.
mindiam ara turistis TvaliT
danaxuli tailandi gvaCvena.
bevr adgilas gamoyenebulia
kvadrati, rac damaxasiaTebeli
iyo 60-iani wlebis fotografiisaTvis. Zalian seriozulia,
rodesac dRes SegiZlia kvadratSi damuSaveba da azrovneba.
mindias aqvs erTi Zalian kargi
Tviseba, ambiciuroba, rac xelovnebaSi aucilebelia. mas ar
gadaufiqrebia qarTveloba sakuTar TavSi, magram sxva ganzomilebebic dainaxa da es ganzomilebebi CvenTvis ucxo araa~.
paata kalandaZe: sadac vcxovrobdi
da vcxovrob, yvelgan kargad vgrZnob
Tavs da advilad veCvevi iqaur garemos
vefxvebis monasteri da grZelkiserebis tomi ori ZiriTadi wertili
nino gedeniZe
r
Tulia, Cvens saukuneSi adamiani raimeTi
gaakvirvo, kidev ufro
rTulia, siaxlis efeqti gaaxangrZlivo, dainteresebaSi gadazardo da sabolood
moxiblo. es siZneleebi mindia
midelaSvils ukve gadalaxuli
aqvs da swored aman ganapiroba
ramdenime uCveulo momenti,
romelTa momswrec aRmovCndi
27 maiss saqarTvelos parlamentis erovnuli biblioTekis
sagamofeno darbazSi, misi fotogamofena `tais~ gaxsnaze.
uCveulo da iSviaTi marTlac
bevri ram iyo. avtors jer kidev
damTvaliereblebis mosvlamde
vkiTxe: rogor wargadginoT _
fotoxelovani Tu fotografimeTqi da arc ufiqria, ise mipasuxa: fotografi, ra Tqma
­undao.
`fotografia CemTvis yvelaferia. Cemi cxovrebis udides
nawils vuTmob, CemTan aris ZilSic da RviZilSic da, rac mTavaria, am profesiam Tavad amirCia. ubralod, erT kadrs mohyva
meore, meores _ mesame, aTass _
kidev erTi aTasi da ase grZeldeba ukve cxra welia.
damTavrebuli maqvs samxatvro
akademiis samrewvelo dizainis
fakulteti da Zalian mexmareba. rac viswavle, absoluturad yvelafers viyeneb, radgan
Zalian bevri detali emTxveva
profesiuli TvalsazrisiT~.
fotografs rom araviTari regalia da Selamazeba ar sWird-
mindia midelaSvilis mier danaxuli
sxva ganzomilebebi
ravloba mTeli 5 dRe gagrZelda gamofenaze, romlisTvisac
mindia 5 Tve iRvwoda `vefxvebis
monasterSi~, `grZelkiseraTa
sofelSi~ da TbilisSi samontaJo magidasTan.
gamofenis `5 Tve 5 dRisTvis~ (rogorc mindiam Searqva)
Semxedvare, jumber lominaZe
aRtacebas ver faravda: `momxibla misma ostatobam. SeuZlia,
ubralo suraTs gansakuTrebuli elferi SesZinos. amas rom
miaRwio, aucilebelia, iyo
usazRvrod Seyvarebuli bunebaSi, cxovrebaSi da Tan niWieric. ise hyavs vefxvi zemodan ga-